High Schools with Good English Instruction
From giebel@u.washington.edu Mon Jul 26 09:34:43 2004
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:28:18 -0700
From: Christoph Giebel <giebel@u.washington.edu>
Reply-To: vsg@u.washington.edu
To: Vietnam Studies Group <vsg@u.washington.edu>
Subject: VSG: High Schools with good English instruction
Hello VSG-ers,
I have been approached by a foundation with a very generous college scholarship program for select Southeast Asian high school graduates. Could someone on this list please identify for me, preferably with contact info (address, name of principal etc.), public high schools in Viet Nam with well-known, above-average English instruction? I have thus far come across one "Amsterdam School" in Ha Noi of which I had not been aware and the (albeit private) Lomonosov School, but more leads (to me personally or on VSG) will be much appreciated.
Thank you!
Christoph Giebel
History / International Studies
University of Washington, Seattle
From DNguyen@KQED.org Mon Jul 26 09:34:48 2004
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:31:24 -0700
From: Nguyen Qui Duc <DNguyen@KQED.org>
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Subject: RE: High Schools with good English instruction
Hi,
Chu Van An high school in Hanoi is also well-known. The English teacher there is Tran Thuy Duong
tranthuyduong72@yahoo.com
Tel. (090) 411-5541
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From dnfox@u.washington.edu Mon Jul 26 09:34:53 2004
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:25:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: dnfox@u.washington.edu
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To: Vietnam Studies Group <vsg@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: VSG: High Schools with good English instruction
yes and yes to Amsterdam, and a suggestion to contact vlchung@hn.vnn.vn to ask about others--that's Hung, who you know, who, apart from having worked in education all his life and having an abundance of friends with that age child, now works for MOET
From DNguyen@KQED.org Mon Jul 26 09:34:59 2004
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:48:16 -0700
From: Nguyen Qui Duc <DNguyen@KQED.org>
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To: Vietnam Studies Group <vsg@u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: VSG: High Schools with good English instruction
And perhaps a reminder that one should be mindful that many of the top students in these schools (Amsterdam, Chu Van An) are from well-off families while students from other schools may benefit more from scholarships.
From haophan@library.ucla.edu Mon Jul 26 09:35:03 2004
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:22:10 -0700
From: Hao Phan <haophan@library.ucla.edu>
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To: Vietnam Studies Group <vsg@u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: VSG: High Schools with good English instruction
Dear Nguyen Quy Duc
I am grateful that you pointed that out. In fact, I am curious why this scholarship must go to the well-to-do schools.
Hao Phan
From tranphiet@yahoo.com Mon Jul 26 09:35:10 2004
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:23:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Qui-Phiet Tran <tranphiet@yahoo.com>
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To: Vietnam Studies Group <vsg@u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: VSG: High Schools with good English instruction
Le Hong Phong in HCM City is another top notch school. I don't think it enrolls only students from wealthy families.
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Qui-Phiet Tran
Professor Emeritus of English
Schreiner University
2100 Memorial Blvd
Kerrville, TX 78028
USA
From tyt@fpt.vn Mon Jul 26 09:35:14 2004
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:15:22 +0700
From: Toan <tyt@fpt.vn>
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To: Vietnam Studies Group <vsg@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: VSG: High Schools with good English instruction
Dear Duc, and others:
I do not mean to object, but there is a fact that those 'many of the top students' are really good students. In my understanding, it is hard (very inconvenient) for a bad student to remain harmoniously in one of those top classes of either Hanoi-Amsterdam or Chu-Van-An. You just cannot blend in.
BTW:
- if you want the scholarships to go to good students, why do you have to be concerned whether they are from rich or poor families; or
- if you want the scholarships to go to poor students, why do you have to be concerned whether they are good or bad students;
Should we be looking at ONLY high-schools that have good students from poor families, which is rather impossible?
If we are looking for ONLY good students from poor families, we will have to contact with, say, all high-schools, or even their managers - the Departments of Education and Training. Even when this done, and you have known for certain that students given to you are really good ones by conducting interviews, how can you know for sure a student is from a poor family.
Please comment, everyone.
Thank you and warm regards,
Toan
tyt@fpt.vn
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:52:06 -0700
From: Nguyen Qui Duc <DNguyen@KQED.org>
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To: Vietnam Studies Group <vsg@u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: VSG: High Schools with good English instruction
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Dear Toan,
Thanks for your comments.
I agree with you that indeed, top students are ... top students. And deserving of scholarship, for scholastic achievement. I don't mean to suggest scholarship programs should exclude /discriminate against top students from top schools.
I do understand about some of the difficulties involved in the selection process, and can imagine the possible bureaucratic requirements, if I understand you correctly.
I have usually understood scholarships to be given on the basis of academic excellence and need.
The sholarship administrators will surely have criteria they would work with to select deserving students.
d.
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:42:39 -0700
From: Christoph Giebel <giebel@u.washington.edu>
Reply-To: vsg@u.washington.edu
To: Vietnam Studies Group <vsg@u.washington.edu>
Subject: VSG: high school English, and a reminder
First, a reminder to better identify your VSG messages in the subject lines. The latest conversation, initially titled a generic "Thank you," made it a prime target for spam filters. Subsequent contributors made the subject line more specific and even added "VSG" to it; thanks.
Thanks also to all who responded to my question re. High Schools with good English instruction. I am not very familiar with the foundation's guidelines or objectives, but have a sense that they are interested in broadening their recruitment base from the obvious (privileged?) ones and thereby give more students the opportunity to apply.
All the responses were for schools in Ha Noi and Sai Gon. Does anyone out there know about competitive English programs of High Schools in Hai Phong, Hue (the former Quoc Hoc or Hai Ba Trung?), Da Nang, Nha Trang, My Tho, Can Tho etc.? Again, thanks (for the third time in this message... too much?)
;)
Christoph Giebel
History / Int'l. Studies
University of Washington, Seattle
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:32:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: dnfox@u.washington.edu
Reply-To: vsg@u.washington.edu
To: Vietnam Studies Group <vsg@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Hue high schools
Hi--For Hue contact Duong Thi Hoang Oanh, ace English teacher/administrator/researcher at Dai Hoc Hue, grad of Hai Ba Trung, mother of two high schoolers--a great resource, and a great friend. Please tell her hi! dthoanhgoanh@dng.vnn.vn
d
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:20:52 -0700
From: Peter Hansen <johnev@netspace.net.au>
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To: Vietnam Studies Group <vsg@u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Hue high schools
We help a number of Thua Thien kids with study funds, and it seems that the school with the best reputation outside of Quoc Hoc is Nguyen Tri Phuong. But I am not sure as to whether it's only Cap II or also has a senior level. It may just be an intermediate feeder.
Peter Hansen